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Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« on: July 17, 2013, 08:54:29 pm »
I made this wish list because I'm most likely going to buy it I just wanted other opinions on it.

I'm going with a AMD because it is cheaper  ;D

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?Source=MSWD&WishListNumber=30943448

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Re: Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2013, 09:24:25 pm »
Get 1600Mhz RAM as well as switching the black drive for a blue drive. That power supply not only sucks, but also is sooooo overpriced.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151107

I suggest these, they'll save you right around $60, or $80 if you use the mail-in rebate on the PSU, and you could use that to buy an SSD, get a 760... anything really. I'd suggest a 760, because it's a big performance gain over the 660.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2013, 09:32:09 pm by Enlyten »

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Re: Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2013, 10:03:24 pm »
If you are going to do an 800$ build, go Intel. I'm sure People here can help you get some stuff figured out


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Re: Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 11:07:04 pm »
Why switch to WD Blue? Keep the Black instead. Blue drives are not made to the standard of quality that Black drives are. Both drives will last but the Black will last longer and is made for intensive use. Since you're using it as a boot AND data drive (no SSD), you're going to want your master drive to be as fast as possible (bottleneck in DayZ, and other games with super large maps). They'll last longer and will seek/write files faster resulting in faster load times.

I agree with Enlyten on PSU, you're not even going to be using half of that 900W. 650W gives you more than enough room for upgrades so that's probably a good wattage to get. See: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Also, Intel is a better idea.. but it's your money. The extra $150 (totally estimating, look for deals at your local Microcenter) or so that it will cost you for a high-end i5 and a board to go with it is absolutely worth it. My Ivy Bridge i5-3570K (1 generation back from current) is super overclockable - I'm running at 4.4 GHz with only a little extra voltage. Arguably as fast as a stock i7.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2013, 11:12:40 pm by Tom »


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Re: Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2013, 07:14:29 am »
Get 1600Mhz RAM as well as switching the black drive for a blue drive. That power supply not only sucks, but also is sooooo overpriced.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151107

I suggest these, they'll save you right around $60, or $80 if you use the mail-in rebate on the PSU, and you could use that to buy an SSD, get a 760... anything really. I'd suggest a 760, because it's a big performance gain over the 660.

If you are going to do an 800$ build, go Intel. I'm sure People here can help you get some stuff figured out

Why switch to WD Blue? Keep the Black instead. Blue drives are not made to the standard of quality that Black drives are. Both drives will last but the Black will last longer and is made for intensive use. Since you're using it as a boot AND data drive (no SSD), you're going to want your master drive to be as fast as possible (bottleneck in DayZ, and other games with super large maps). They'll last longer and will seek/write files faster resulting in faster load times.

I agree with Enlyten on PSU, you're not even going to be using half of that 900W. 650W gives you more than enough room for upgrades so that's probably a good wattage to get. See: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Also, Intel is a better idea.. but it's your money. The extra $150 (totally estimating, look for deals at your local Microcenter) or so that it will cost you for a high-end i5 and a board to go with it is absolutely worth it. My Ivy Bridge i5-3570K (1 generation back from current) is super overclockable - I'm running at 4.4 GHz with only a little extra voltage. Arguably as fast as a stock i7.

THANK YOU  ;D  for the help also I made this build before it is a Intel Would this be a better choice?  If so I think I will go with the Intel.  If you guys have any ways to make it better and keep the price that would be awesome and again THANK YOU! :)

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Re: Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2013, 08:41:23 am »
Why switch to WD Blue? Keep the Black instead. Blue drives are not made to the standard of quality that Black drives are. Both drives will last but the Black will last longer and is made for intensive use. Since you're using it as a boot AND data drive (no SSD), you're going to want your master drive to be as fast as possible (bottleneck in DayZ, and other games with super large maps). They'll last longer and will seek/write files faster resulting in faster load times.

I agree with Enlyten on PSU, you're not even going to be using half of that 900W. 650W gives you more than enough room for upgrades so that's probably a good wattage to get. See: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Also, Intel is a better idea.. but it's your money. The extra $150 (totally estimating, look for deals at your local Microcenter) or so that it will cost you for a high-end i5 and a board to go with it is absolutely worth it. My Ivy Bridge i5-3570K (1 generation back from current) is super overclockable - I'm running at 4.4 GHz with only a little extra voltage. Arguably as fast as a stock i7.


To start off, I totally freaking forgot, you need a CPU cooler man...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

Nooooooo. Go Blue. All the black drives do is suck up a bit more energy, run a little louder, and cost more. When you say they last longer, that's true. But we're talking the difference between a hard drive that last 6-8 years and one that lasts 8-10 years. That matters nil. By then both drives would have been replaced. Besides, the way I set it up, he'd be able to buy an SSD as well.

Intel is notorious for being the higher-end choice (around $1000 builds), with AMD having the advantage in less expensive builds, so why use an Intel processor when the 8350 has MORE overclocking abilities, performs almost on par with an i5 in games (like .5 frames difference), and has MORE cores and MORE processing power? Yes, it runs hotter, and pulls watts like I pull bitches, but still. I normally say INTELINTELINTEL but the 8350 vs i5 battle is a touchy one, and it's determined solely by the budget and use of the PC.

I do suppose though that if you had to go Intel, I have worked something out for you with the money I saved you earlier.

PCPartPicker part list

CPU:  Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($209.00)
CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard:  MSI Z77A-G45 Gaming ATX  LGA1155 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory:  Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($60.99)
Storage:  Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card:  EVGA GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card  ($197.00)
Case:  Raidmax Tornado (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply:  SeaSonic M12II 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $825.95

I manually corrected some of the prices since it kept taking Microcenter prices as the standard, but IDK if you live near one to get those discounts.

Also, the only reason I went over $800 is to give you the CPU cooler, if you don't want it... simply remove it.

One extra thing, on the topic of PSUs, almost all Corsair PSUs are bad. Please don't buy one. I know that someone will eventually tell you to get one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

The HX650 and the AX (NON-i ex. AX760i-don't get this shit) series are the only Corsair PSUs made will all-high quality parts... Japanese caps... all copper coils... you name it. This is because most of the other PSU's are OEM'd by CWT and Flextronics, neither of these are the best of manufacturers, and both will sometimes use sub-par components in some of their PSUs. Now, some of these PSU's OEM'd by CWT and Flextronics are worth buying, but EDIT: Use this to find which Corsair PSU's are acceptable. The HX650 and AX series of Corsair PSU's are still OEM'd, but this time by Seasonic-an extremely good PSU company. But of course the the parts given to Corsair by Seasonic will not be as good as the parts that Seasonic keeps for themselves. This means that if you want a PSU with absolutely top-notch components, get a Seasonic PSU.

(PSU OEM Source: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page447.htm)

Edit: Here is a good way to tell the quality of a PSU:

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
« Last Edit: July 18, 2013, 08:47:28 am by Enlyten »

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Re: Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2013, 08:52:57 am »
Why the fuck would you get the fx 8350 instead of upgrading to an i5 for 30 more bucks? Intel motherboards aren't any more expensive than AMD either. Also WD black drives are slightly faster.

For gaming = intel i5

For not gaming = not amd.

Amd cpus are pretty shitty, even though you can overclock them really decently you can easily hit the same speeds with most intel cpu's if you have a good motherboard. Also with the heat output of AMD cpu's you have to have air conditioning in the fucking back of your case if you want to overclock that shitz.

More cores does not equal better cpu.

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Re: Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2013, 09:06:37 am »
Why switch to WD Blue? Keep the Black instead. Blue drives are not made to the standard of quality that Black drives are. Both drives will last but the Black will last longer and is made for intensive use. Since you're using it as a boot AND data drive (no SSD), you're going to want your master drive to be as fast as possible (bottleneck in DayZ, and other games with super large maps). They'll last longer and will seek/write files faster resulting in faster load times.

I agree with Enlyten on PSU, you're not even going to be using half of that 900W. 650W gives you more than enough room for upgrades so that's probably a good wattage to get. See: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Also, Intel is a better idea.. but it's your money. The extra $150 (totally estimating, look for deals at your local Microcenter) or so that it will cost you for a high-end i5 and a board to go with it is absolutely worth it. My Ivy Bridge i5-3570K (1 generation back from current) is super overclockable - I'm running at 4.4 GHz with only a little extra voltage. Arguably as fast as a stock i7.


To start off, I totally freaking forgot, you need a CPU cooler man...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

Nooooooo. Go Blue. All the black drives do is suck up a bit more energy, run a little louder, and cost more. When you say they last longer, that's true. But we're talking the difference between a hard drive that last 6-8 years and one that lasts 8-10 years. That matters nil. By then both drives would have been replaced. Besides, the way I set it up, he'd be able to buy an SSD as well.

Intel is notorious for being the higher-end choice (around $1000 builds), with AMD having the advantage in less expensive builds, so why use an Intel processor when the 8350 has MORE overclocking abilities, performs almost on par with an i5 in games (like .5 frames difference), and has MORE cores and MORE processing power? Yes, it runs hotter, and pulls watts like I pull bitches, but still. I normally say INTELINTELINTEL but the 8350 vs i5 battle is a touchy one, and it's determined solely by the budget and use of the PC.

I do suppose though that if you had to go Intel, I have worked something out for you with the money I saved you earlier.

PCPartPicker part list

CPU:  Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($209.00)
CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard:  MSI Z77A-G45 Gaming ATX  LGA1155 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory:  Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($60.99)
Storage:  Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card:  EVGA GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card  ($197.00)
Case:  Raidmax Tornado (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply:  SeaSonic M12II 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $825.95

I manually corrected some of the prices since it kept taking Microcenter prices as the standard, but IDK if you live near one to get those discounts.

Also, the only reason I went over $800 is to give you the CPU cooler, if you don't want it... simply remove it.

One extra thing, on the topic of PSUs, almost all Corsair PSUs are bad. Please don't buy one. I know that someone will eventually tell you to get one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

The HX650 and the AX (NON-i ex. AX760i-don't get this shit) series are the only Corsair PSUs made will all-high quality parts... Japanese caps... all copper coils... you name it. This is because most of the other PSU's are OEM'd by CWT and Flextronics, neither of these are the best of manufacturers, and both will sometimes use sub-par components in some of their PSUs. Now, some of these PSU's OEM'd by CWT and Flextronics are worth buying, but EDIT: Use this to find which Corsair PSU's are acceptable. The HX650 and AX series of Corsair PSU's are still OEM'd, but this time by Seasonic-an extremely good PSU company. But of course the the parts given to Corsair by Seasonic will not be as good as the parts that Seasonic keeps for themselves. This means that if you want a PSU with absolutely top-notch components, get a Seasonic PSU.

(PSU OEM Source: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page447.htm)

Edit: Here is a good way to tell the quality of a PSU:

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

Thank you I may just build this i probably will get this case though http://www.amazon.com/NZXT-Technologies-Source-210-Black/dp/B005869A7K/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1374152680&sr=1-3&keywords=computer+case+mid+tower ;D

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Re: Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2013, 09:08:59 am »
Why the fuck would you get the fx 8350 instead of upgrading to an i5 for 30 more bucks? Intel motherboards aren't any more expensive than AMD either. Also WD black drives are slightly faster.

For gaming = intel i5

For not gaming = not amd.

Amd cpus are pretty shitty, even though you can overclock them really decently you can easily hit the same speeds with most intel cpu's if you have a good motherboard. Also with the heat output of AMD cpu's you have to have air conditioning in the fucking back of your case if you want to overclock that shitz.

More cores does not equal better cpu.

lol I will decide on a HDD when I get the rest of the money I need :)

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Re: Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2013, 10:08:55 am »
Why the fuck would you get the fx 8350 instead of upgrading to an i5 for 30 more bucks? Intel motherboards aren't any more expensive than AMD either. Also WD black drives are slightly faster.

For gaming = intel i5

For not gaming = not amd.

Amd cpus are pretty shitty, even though you can overclock them really decently you can easily hit the same speeds with most intel cpu's if you have a good motherboard. Also with the heat output of AMD cpu's you have to have air conditioning in the fucking back of your case if you want to overclock that shitz.

More cores does not equal better cpu.





Because it processes things better. I like video editing. I like photoshop. I like Cinema 4D. I don't like waiting for things to render. More cores doesn't equal better CPU, but in this case it equals better processing. I'm by no stretch of the imagination an AMD or Intel fanboy, I just would rather have tons of processing power, even if I have to trade 10 FPS.

IDK what you've been reading, because AMD always overclocks better than Intel.
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Re: Is this a good for a first build on around $800 budget?
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2013, 01:51:55 pm »
Why the fuck would you get the fx 8350 instead of upgrading to an i5 for 30 more bucks? Intel motherboards aren't any more expensive than AMD either. Also WD black drives are slightly faster.

For gaming = intel i5

For not gaming = not amd.

Amd cpus are pretty shitty, even though you can overclock them really decently you can easily hit the same speeds with most intel cpu's if you have a good motherboard. Also with the heat output of AMD cpu's you have to have air conditioning in the fucking back of your case if you want to overclock that shitz.

More cores does not equal better cpu.

lol I will decide on a HDD when I get the rest of the money I need :)

Dont let Poison get under your skin, (he is my cousin and he bitches about AMD way to much) I've got an amd build that I did for about $600 and it has run everything flawlessly. But If you have an $800 budget, an Intel I5 3500k series is the way to go
« Last Edit: July 18, 2013, 01:53:26 pm by Spyagent1000 »


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